[identity profile] wykkdspet.livejournal.com posting in [community profile] fifthtrinity
So I was wandering around the Recovery From Mormonism board (yeah, I'm a happy apostate), and one of the discussions got me thinking pretty deeply.  One of the tenets of the religion is that (throwing out the whole Christ and grace thing,) so long as one follows the commandments of God, he's bound to ensure that person's salvation.  This is found somewhere in Matthew, I think, but that's not really important. 

The part I found interesting was the derision people were showering on the concept of a god being bound in any way, as though, just by a god being a god, he didn't have to follow rules.  Wouldn't honesty and integrity to one's word be one of the most important characteristics of being a god?  Without the power of truth behind one's words, where is the power of a god?  One cannot be arbitrary or untrue of purpose in one's magick unless one expects that magick to go awry or fail completely; how much more so would that principle apply to divinity? 

Anyway, this whole concept is still rattling around in my skull half-formed, and I wondered what other people thought. 

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Yes, I was that curious.

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Date: 2007-10-15 02:27 am (UTC)
kiya: (dua set)
From: [personal profile] kiya
Wouldn't honesty and integrity to one's word be one of the most important characteristics of being a god?

Are you under the illusion that all gods are Lawful Good?

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Date: 2007-10-15 02:45 am (UTC)
ext_32976: (Default)
From: [identity profile] twfarlan.livejournal.com
Not everyone works magick that way.

Gods lie. Gods steal. Gods cheat. Gods change their minds. Gods can be proven wrong. Gods can do wrong, and can repent of it. In myths that are held up as excellent examples of the gods as exemplars, as archetypes of human nature and even as guides through life, they are shown to be imperfect. When they speak, it can be a lie, but when they swear an oath, when they make a promise, that is when their words are binding. That is when you find resonant truth in what they say as opposed to seeing them work their will via direct action or even subterfuge and manipulation.

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Date: 2007-10-15 02:49 am (UTC)
kiya: (lotus discordia)
From: [personal profile] kiya
When dealing with a god of trickery, expect tricks.

When dealing with a god of deception, expect deception.

When dealing with a god of lies, expect lies.

When dealing with a god of riddles, expect riddles.

When dealing with a god of perversity, expect perversity.

When dealing with a god of the contrarian, expect the contrary.

When dealing with a god of chaos, expect to be surprised.

(no subject)

Date: 2007-10-15 04:30 am (UTC)
kiya: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kiya
Which has nothing to do with whether they do what they say.

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Date: 2007-10-15 04:45 am (UTC)
kiya: (dua set)
From: [personal profile] kiya
Speaking here as one specifically dedicated to a god of destruction, I fail to understand why such an entity would waste time posturing when smashing shit up is to be done.

(no subject)

Date: 2007-10-15 05:14 am (UTC)
kiya: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kiya
Well, if you want to go to bed thinking you've made any sense, I can't stop you.

(no subject)

Date: 2007-10-15 05:30 am (UTC)
kiya: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kiya
Some days, poking trolls with sticks is a worthwhile diversion.

(no subject)

Date: 2007-10-15 05:46 am (UTC)
kiya: (lotus discordia)
From: [personal profile] kiya
You multipost something incoherently formulated to a variety of communities of wildly varying appropriateness, and you're surprised that you get Discordians answering you when that includes a Discordian community?

You had the option to start making sense at any point. I still don't know what you think the verb "say" means.

(no subject)

Date: 2007-10-15 06:00 am (UTC)
kiya: (Default)
From: [personal profile] kiya
I have only given you straight and honest responses.

And it is not yet my bedtime.

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Date: 2007-10-15 04:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pope-guilty.livejournal.com
Gods are notorious bastards. Honesty, integrity... silly things to apply to beings which regard themselves as above the rest of us.

A god, essentially, is a supernaturally powerful sociopath.

(no subject)

Date: 2007-10-15 05:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pope-guilty.livejournal.com
Because people are stupid and naive and believe it when sociopaths say "I love you".

Historical Context

Date: 2007-10-15 03:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] internet-sampo.livejournal.com
Of course, the Greek gods lied and were dishonest.

I'm trying to think of the Christian/Judeo god lied. He was mean-spirited and sadistic. He certainly withheld important information from people (ie. Job - his problems were part of a bet god make with the devil).

Islam - the whole satanic verses thing.

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Date: 2007-10-16 03:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arymede.livejournal.com
One cannot be arbitrary or untrue of purpose in one's magick unless one expects that magick to go awry or fail completely; how much more so would that principle apply to divinity?

You haven't been Discordian for very long, have you?

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Date: 2007-10-17 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arymede.livejournal.com
I see. Fair game!

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Date: 2007-10-16 09:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] falkreon.livejournal.com
Let me explain something, in very uncertain terms:

When two people are in love, it's frequently the simple, inconsequential things that cause them to be madly in love. It's not a flower on your birthday, for example, it's a kiss goodbye in the morning, or doing the dishes that Saturday. You didn't think anything of it but you did something quite powerful that day. Things like this are automatically reinforced purely by their randomness and one's own innate qualities.

I would expect that, when extrapolated out to the realms of gods, planets, and swiss cheese, that the stab in the dark - the random, impulsive spark - makes a huge difference in this world. If you work magic in this world, my friend, expect it to be a sputtering, disloyal thing. It's headstrong; sometimes the collective Will of the world can only be disobeyed by an unexpected poke in the side.

Peace, or failing that, pwn.

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Date: 2012-07-09 07:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pamelazulmo.livejournal.com

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