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theo-symbolic discussion
Greetings, my name is Margi, and I would like to contribute some thoughts to the group; and hopefully open a discussion related to symbolism and paradigm and Eris.
Most of my personal spirituality studies include the study of deities, and what concepts or symbols they share. I do not hope to make them *one* deity, only that the paradigm they share is interesting to me. I consider myself an admirer of Lilith, whom I will be making some rough comparisons to Eris in the rest of my post.
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elfwreck writes:
Eris was acknowledged to be a mighty Goddess, with powers beyond those of Zeus himself; the “King” of the Gods needed her assistance in turning back time to allow for the marriage of Peleus and Thetis. (note: confirm these names. Graves’ Greek gods history.)
My comments: Some of the most admirable qualities I admire in trickster/cthonic entities is that they operate seperate from the gods of heaven. I find that Lilith is similar to Eris having powers over the sky gods, mostly because she had power over Jehovah to gain his ineffible name and eventually elevate herself to his consort in heaven, retaining her original earthly qualities.
(Homerica: (ll. 802-804) Avoid fifth days: they are unkindly and terrible. On a fifth day, they say, the Erinyes assisted at the birth of Horcus (Oath) whom Eris (Strife) bare to trouble the forsworn.
Eris gave birth to Horcus that those who broke their oaths would be punished; she brings to the world a sense of justice, a guarantee of punishment of fraud.
My comments: Lilith shares the similar concept of oaths. She promised three angels if she saw their names on amulets that she would spare the babe in the crib. Justice, perhaps, in Lilith's scenario would be murdering human infants in retaliation to her own children dying.
THE CYPRIA (fragments) Fragment 1:
Zeus plans with Themis to bring about the Trojan war. Strife arrives while the gods are feasting at the marriage of Peleus and starts a dispute between Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite as to which of them is fairest.
Insert Doctrine of the Original Snub.
My comments: I find that the symbolism of the Golden Apple and the Fruit of Knowledge are interesting, as well as ripping the shroud off the "Idealistic Feminine," and questioning authority of the queens of heaven.
I don't have a proper conclusion for my thoughts at the moment, as I am still in the process of finding out more about Eris. I found the following link to be helpful, others here may be interested reading through it:
http://www.theoi.com/Khaos/Eris.html#Eris
Also, here is a bit ofelfwreck's reply I found to be very helpful:
The Golden Apples in Greek myth show up as symbols of hubris... they are chased by people (or Gods) who are consumed with pride, and believe themselves to be "the best" at whatever. Hippomenes was given three of them by Aphrodite, to use during his footrace with Atalanta.
Occasionally, I ponder if those are the same apples of eternal youth that Idun distributes among the Norse gods.
Most of my personal spirituality studies include the study of deities, and what concepts or symbols they share. I do not hope to make them *one* deity, only that the paradigm they share is interesting to me. I consider myself an admirer of Lilith, whom I will be making some rough comparisons to Eris in the rest of my post.
elfwreck writes:Eris was acknowledged to be a mighty Goddess, with powers beyond those of Zeus himself; the “King” of the Gods needed her assistance in turning back time to allow for the marriage of Peleus and Thetis. (note: confirm these names. Graves’ Greek gods history.)
My comments: Some of the most admirable qualities I admire in trickster/cthonic entities is that they operate seperate from the gods of heaven. I find that Lilith is similar to Eris having powers over the sky gods, mostly because she had power over Jehovah to gain his ineffible name and eventually elevate herself to his consort in heaven, retaining her original earthly qualities.
(Homerica: (ll. 802-804) Avoid fifth days: they are unkindly and terrible. On a fifth day, they say, the Erinyes assisted at the birth of Horcus (Oath) whom Eris (Strife) bare to trouble the forsworn.
Eris gave birth to Horcus that those who broke their oaths would be punished; she brings to the world a sense of justice, a guarantee of punishment of fraud.
My comments: Lilith shares the similar concept of oaths. She promised three angels if she saw their names on amulets that she would spare the babe in the crib. Justice, perhaps, in Lilith's scenario would be murdering human infants in retaliation to her own children dying.
THE CYPRIA (fragments) Fragment 1:
Zeus plans with Themis to bring about the Trojan war. Strife arrives while the gods are feasting at the marriage of Peleus and starts a dispute between Hera, Athena, and Aphrodite as to which of them is fairest.
Insert Doctrine of the Original Snub.
My comments: I find that the symbolism of the Golden Apple and the Fruit of Knowledge are interesting, as well as ripping the shroud off the "Idealistic Feminine," and questioning authority of the queens of heaven.
I don't have a proper conclusion for my thoughts at the moment, as I am still in the process of finding out more about Eris. I found the following link to be helpful, others here may be interested reading through it:
http://www.theoi.com/Khaos/Eris.html#Eris
Also, here is a bit of
elfwreck's reply I found to be very helpful:The Golden Apples in Greek myth show up as symbols of hubris... they are chased by people (or Gods) who are consumed with pride, and believe themselves to be "the best" at whatever. Hippomenes was given three of them by Aphrodite, to use during his footrace with Atalanta.
Occasionally, I ponder if those are the same apples of eternal youth that Idun distributes among the Norse gods.